My Reaction To FP Commenters Suggesting A/C Isn't a Necessity

"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker) 11/19/2013 at 12:49 • Filed to: None

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You people with funny accents and long winters are so cute.

Nibbles > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:50

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A/C isn't a necessity

It's a perk

Party-vi > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:50

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Batshit insane. My old Cherokee had some AC lines made from unobtanium and I spent 2 years without AC through DC and Baltimore traffic. I'll take a bright pink Prius as long as it has AC.

ddavidn > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:50

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Oh gees ya. The AC's just gonna cool down our hotdish on the way to the potluck, don'tcha know!

McMike > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:51

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Why does that always happen? I've seen this everywhere.

Why do non-a/c users always chime in and try to win an argument that didn't exist.

Weird.

duurtlang > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:52

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Not everybody lives in the desert.

Anyway, I'm still glad I do have A/C. You know, for those few weeks a year it is necessary here.

Hermann > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:52

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The same kind of person who says they'd DD a race car, but never actually sit in one to know how it is.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Nibbles 11/19/2013 at 12:53

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That's just patently false for much of the country that isn't huddled around classic coastal media hubs.

I DD'd my Alfa all summer long without A/C; had my commute been any longer than the 8 minutes it was at the time and had my parking not involved an underground garage, there's absolutely positively no way I could have done it. I would have sweat through my slacks and dress shirt every day. I would have been unbearable to be around at work and I would have ruined hundreds of dollars of clothing in the process.

I've done the sweating my ass off in a Texas summer with no A/C DD thing, and I'll tell you all to go fuck yourselves for suggesting that it's not a necessity.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:53

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To be honest, I rarely turn mine on, even here in Brazil. Too unreliable not to overheat. The heat doesn't even suck that much once you get used to it, plus I drive some of my female colleagues home every now and then and I don't mind them taking off their clothes at all. It gets a little hard to keep the eyes on the road, but it's well worth it, haha....

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ddavidn 11/19/2013 at 12:54

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Recommended for mental image of old Lutheran Minnesota woman car enthusiast.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > duurtlang 11/19/2013 at 12:55

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Not everybody lives in the arctic, either. There's nothing wrong with saying, "Hey, I'd like to have some cool air blowing over me" or "Hey, I'd like it to be a few degrees cooler in here right now" even when it's not swampass hot outside.

Jagvar > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:56

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Just drive naked with the windows down.

What do you mean it's illegal?

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 11/19/2013 at 12:56

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haha!

My problem is that I can't show up to the office in the morning having sweated through my dress shirt and slacks. I'd be ruining clothing and I'd be ruining the air around my cube for everyone.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Jagvar 11/19/2013 at 12:57

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Your reputation with footwear suggests that you may be speaking from experience, here.

Gamecat235 > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:58

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I lived in Southern Arizona for years without it. In fact it wasn't until I was in my 30s that I finally owned vehicles which reliably had AC.

If it's not a necessity here, it isn't anywhere else. You adapt and move on. Perhaps necessity may be overstating the point. It's not as vital as a Gasoline tank which does not leak, or tires with air.

The average person does not need AC. However, nearly everyone, myself included (until I realized the craziness of the argument), would (or at the very least, has) argue(d) that they do. In my mind this is simply a shift of the definition of a word no longer meaning what it initially meant.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > McMike 11/19/2013 at 12:59

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because FP, that's why.

duurtlang > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 12:59

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Agreed, although it's not a necessity for me I wouldn't argue A/C isn't a necessity unless we're talking about specific temperate climates.

ddavidn > Hermann 11/19/2013 at 13:00

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The Real Dacia Sandero > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:00

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Meh. I lived in Florida where it was 90+ with full sun and insane humidity and carpooled for a while with a friend who didn't have ac. It sucks, but its not the end of the world. I now live in NoVA and my Miata has no a/c. With a cool breeze scoop I was fine this summer. And I was wearing jeans and whatnot on many occasions.

offroadkarter > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:01

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I know a lot of us around here like cars with less options, but I am the complete opposite. I'll deal with "more shit to theoretically break" if it means I'm comfortable. I would never want to DD a car without A/C.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:02

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That's a fair point, I usually don't sweat much in the car, even though no one would bat an eye in college if I did... I mean, our professors go about how medical students should present themselves every now and then, but do they bother installing an a/C unit in our windowless classrooms? Of course not. The senior students are a little more worried about their looks, but most of my class just looks like it's coming out of a metal concert most days, haha...

TheOnelectronic > duurtlang 11/19/2013 at 13:02

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A/C isn't a necessity in the desert.

No, come to the midwest or the south, where you get 100+ degree temperatures AND 100% humidity.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:03

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I once spent a month in Vietnam and I rarely found the need for AC in a cramped Hiace.

TheOnelectronic > Jagvar 11/19/2013 at 13:03

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It wasn't enough for poor James May.

NinetyQ > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:03

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I haven't had A/C in either of my cars for the past 8 years (all my years of driving). It would have been nice at times, but I didn't have the money to fix it, so I sweated instead.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Gamecat235 11/19/2013 at 13:03

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I've done no A/C before and I'll never do it again; it's a necessity for me to purchase a car for daily use in the future. First world necessity, certainly.

I just don't understand how anyone who has a job in a place where they interact with other people and has to drive to their workplace in an environment with a real summer does it. Perhaps you can enlighten me, and perhaps my perspective is skewed because I wear slacks and a dress shirt every day, but I just can't imagine how that works. Because I've done it, and only by the grace of fortunate circumstances (started going into work an hour earlier, only had an 8 minute commute, parked in an underground garage) was I able to pull it off.

Nibbles > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:03

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I grew up in the New Mexico desert, where summer highs were somewhere between 100 and 130

For the longest time (the first 6 years of my driving life), I did not own a vehicle with air conditioning. I managed just fine

Even today, living in Denver, only 1 of my 3 vehicles has A/C. It's the wife's car

TheOnelectronic > McMike 11/19/2013 at 13:03

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Because being able to say you think something a large number of people use is useless is "cool"

rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:04

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I live in NorCal - almost never turn my AC on. The last time I did it was just to prove that the AC in my Continental still worked (it did!).

Heck, my house doesn't have AC or heat. Just fans. (Also, my power bill is about $65/mo. Suck it PG&E!)

TheOnelectronic > Gamecat235 11/19/2013 at 13:06

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Mr. Cat

You don't know what heat is

Sincerely,

100 degrees at 100% humidity

I passed through Phoenix on my big motorcycle trip. Going by feel, the air temp on the highway was roughly 120, but it was still preferable to the soggy heat back home.

100 degree air carries much less heat than 100 degree moist air, because water vapor has a higher heat capacity.

duurtlang > TheOnelectronic 11/19/2013 at 13:06

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I still maintain that I have never used a cupholder for an actual cup

dinobot666 > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:06

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I lived in Florida for a few years and never used my A/C.

TheOnelectronic > offroadkarter 11/19/2013 at 13:06

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I always hear this "More things to go wrong" argument and it's puzzling.

You're talking about a machine with hundreds of moving parts. A few extra buttons and doo-dads isn't going to tip the scales.

Hermann > ddavidn 11/19/2013 at 13:07

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Hahahahah. I've forgotten about this. Excellent example.

TheOnelectronic > duurtlang 11/19/2013 at 13:07

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Well, neither have I. Bottles and cans, maybe, but no cups.

Gamecat235 > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:08

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Again. The concept of necessity is being twisted.

You need food to survive.

You do not need AC. You could manage without it.

In my case, I wore my slacks with an a-shirt in my car, got to work, put on my shirt and tie which were nicely hung in a smallish garment bag that basically lived in my trunk or from the headrests behind me when I got to work, and I carried an extra set of clothes in the trunk just in case it got ludicrously hot.

Jagvar > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:09

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Hey now, I keep my nudity for the beaches/resorts where it's allowed.

Gamecat235 > TheOnelectronic 11/19/2013 at 13:11

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Dear Mr. TO,

I lived in Chicago, 6 blocks off of Lake Michigan. For years, some of that with a Nissan Sentra with a broken AC compressor. I know of what you speak. I still survived.

Does it get easier when it is dry? Yes, because sweating and air movement actually help. But when it's 100+ degrees with 100% humidity, chances are you haven't dried off completely since May anyway.

Hermann > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 11/19/2013 at 13:13

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When I still lived in Paraná I also rarely used the AC. My city was always windy. Always. And even if the wind was warm, it was still pleasant enough to drive with just the windows down.

But here in São Paulo! The air sit still and it's a horrible claustrophobic sensation to sit in a car, even though it's moving, when that hot air just sits still, hot. Yes, I might be biased since I'm from a windy place, but I can't imagine life here without AC.

Converse > Gamecat235 11/19/2013 at 13:14

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You could do that in Georgia only if you have a shower at work. High humidity changes things. I agree that A/C is not a necessity per se.

My first 3 cars did not have A/C and it worked ok because I did not have a job that needed me to travel at the peak heat of the day or that I needed to be dressed up for, except for one. That job required me to be dressed well and work as a salesman of sorts that drove around during the day. I had to schedule everything to happen before noon and sometimes 11 depending on the heat and humidity that day. I can deal with heat, I can't deal with heat and extremely high humidity and maintain a current civilization appearance.

I believe that is where the argument for A/C as a necessity originates.

Josh Welton > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:19

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You understand the definition of "necessity," right???

rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S > rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S 11/19/2013 at 13:19

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More seriously, I would say that any functionality that is not key to the primary purpose of a car is not "necessary" - which is reliable and I would say weather-insulated travel. That includes AC, but it also includes power windows, power seats, etc. etc.

That doesn't mean I would buy a new or late-model car without any of those things however. :)

Gamecat235 > Converse 11/19/2013 at 13:20

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So it's a qualified necessity? I understand the argument. But I am sticking to my initial statement of the twisting of the definition of the word.

I'm not meaning to start an argument over whether current decorum dictates that you meet certain standards, I simply contest the use of the word "need/necessity" when for most it actually comes down to it being an importance preference rather than an outright requirement.

Do certain individuals require AC for certain tasks in certain environments to be performed at a certain level or expectation? Yes. Does that mean that people who do not meet these criteria still can claim the same level of requirement? No.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/19/2013 at 13:22

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I know a few of those......

itsnothere > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:25

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I don't enjoy sweating while on long drives in my car , hence I use my a/c quite a bit (when the temps are high).

Last time I looked, 99.99% of new cars and trucks have a/c standard. So its a moot point as far as new cars are concerned.

Can someone show me a new 2013 car sold in the US that does not have a/c?

Walfisch > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:28

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Personally, I think everybody has a certain threshold when it comes to cold and hot weather, and usually that threshold will not be shared by others. So making an all-encompassing statement about using AC in so and so area will always cause some arguments. Just as how some Californians shiver at a 65 degree weather and insist on wearing a thermal fleece, while people from Minnesota will simply shrug that off and maybe wear a long-sleeved shirt.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Gamecat235 11/19/2013 at 13:29

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Your sad devotion to that ancient thing called the dictionary has not helped you win this discussion.

CKeffer > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:33

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In the strictest sense of the word it's not, the car functions perfectly well mechanically without one. However I live in Houston, and would like to arrive at work NOT soaked in sweat in October, or with a mild case of heat exhaustion in August. So, I will never own a DD that is without it.

Ex. President Mack41 > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:33

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Well to be fair, for their situation it isn't a necessity and though it is one for you doesn't make it an automatic necessity for all. That's just too much generalizing by everyone. I will say if given the choice between A/C or heat I'll take working heat every time. I don't mind sweating on black leather in a hot summer thunderstorm, but 10 degrees in December? Fuhgeddaboutit

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Josh Welton 11/19/2013 at 13:33

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I would be fired if I showed up to work in a pool of sweat every day.

I would go bankrupt replacing work appropriate clothing after sweating through it all of the time.

My girlfriend would leave me if I constantly traveled in a pool of my own sweat and made her travel in a pool of her own sweat.

Necessity, indeed.

offroadkarter > TheOnelectronic 11/19/2013 at 13:37

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and its not like you can't get to work if your heated seat element goes out....

Kate's Dirty Sister > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:41

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If I'm the FP commenter you are referring to, please note that my comment was sarcastic and mainly aimed at the 90% of Jalopnik commenters constantly bashing any progress made by the auto industry after 1990.

davedave1111 > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:42

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It's only a 'necessity' if you like sitting in traffic. Jalops don't sit in traffic, so don't need air-con. If you need air-con in your life, then by definition you're not a Jalop.

I am, of course, being entirely serious here.

davedave1111 > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:43

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As long as you don't get stuck in traffic, just wind the windows down and open the roof. If you get stuck in traffic, find a different job. Simple.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:43

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Ah yes. Let's just eliminate A/C from everywhere else too! Save on electricity, unnecessary air conditioning units, and have pool parties all day long! woohoo!

Gamecat235 > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:44

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I will hold onto this shred of my youth forever (figuratively)!

davedave1111 > McMike 11/19/2013 at 13:45

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Because the internet's full of people who can't handle someone else being wrong without saying something.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > davedave1111 11/19/2013 at 13:46

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Of course, why use something that 80% of vehicles have when I can rearrange my career to suit some weird, antiquated notion that sweating in your car makes you more jalop/macho?!

All Motor Is Best Motor > Gamecat235 11/19/2013 at 13:47

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I'm sorry, but when it's 90 degrees and humid outside during the summer, and you get in your car with a black interior that's been sitting in the sun, it can get upwards of 120 degrees inside the car. At that point, heat stroke is a real possibility without A/C. Roll down the windows, you say? Sure, but it can be hot and raining. It can also be hot and windy. And a round town on slow roads, rolling down the windows doesn't help unless it's dark out. You don't roll down your windows when you're doing 65-70 on the highway and there are loud-ass semi trucks next to you, unless you intend to go deaf.

A/C is absolutely a necessity for the elderly, who are much more sensitive to intense heat. There is also a medical condition which causes the afflicted to be unable to sweat. Yeah, it's rare, but it is a problem. These people NEED A/C.

You can tell me how you toughed out your dry-ass Arizona heat and thus because you can, everyone else can, but that's your own personal experience. It isn't proof of anything, it's a personal anecdote. That's the same logic as those asshole parents who say "well I didn't have that as a kid, so why should my children have it?"

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > davedave1111 11/19/2013 at 13:47

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I can sense your seriousness through the force. Serious response about how stupid you are forthcoming.

Josh Welton > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:47

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And every person everywhere endures those same circumstances? You only need one example to the contrary to refute an item being "necessary."

Shit, I know guys that bike to work every day, they clean up and change clothes when they arrive.

IF we lived in a world where A/C wasn't a "thing," we'd survive. Thus...not necessary.

MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:47

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I live in Virginia, where summer means 100*F and 70-90% humidity. I've gone without AC for the last 5 years and I'm still alive.

davedave1111 > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:50

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"I don't commute at 60 mph, either."

Well, there's your problem...

And no, no sweating in your car. Just driving fast enough to get more benefit from having the windows down than from having air-con on. Anything over about 30-40, if I remember rightly.

But you absolutely should choose and direct your career based solely on which options provide the best drive to work. Surely that goes without saying around here?

Gamecat235 > All Motor Is Best Motor 11/19/2013 at 13:55

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I also survived it through several Chicago summers (95-100 degrees, 90-100% humidity). You do learn to live with it.

If you are elderly or do you have a medical condition which warrants the absolute need for AC or ff you work in a job in which there are no options but to be in your car for extended periods of time and then be immediately presentable, then I'll accept the use of "need/necessity". If not, then kindly refer to the dictionary.

And rolling your windows down at any time of day helps. A closed environment with no moving air is much more prone to heat up than one with constantly circulating air.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig 11/19/2013 at 13:59

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Are you, though?

bhardoin > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 13:59

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I freaking hate hot climates; I wouldn't want to live anywhere where AC was necessity.

If windows down and footwell vents on isn't enough, I'd rather not be out and about.

More Power!!and also some brakes. > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 14:04

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I have done the no A/C thing before, I live in Texas. Fuck that, never again.

Gamecat235 > rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S 11/19/2013 at 14:04

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Exactly. =)

Wildly important preference and expectation? Definitely. Absolute necessity? In nearly all cases? Nope.

wkiernan > Gamecat235 11/19/2013 at 14:05

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I've lived in Tucson and also in Tampa. If you can keep out of the direct sunlight and you stay hydrated you can do without A/C in Tucson reasonably comfortably. (Particularly if you choose to consider a swamp cooler as not being "true" A/C.) Tampa, even though it's ten Fahrenheit degrees cooler, is a lot harder to take without the blessings of A/C, A/C, wonderful wonderful A/C.

Gamecat235 > wkiernan 11/19/2013 at 14:09

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My argument is one of semantics, and of some life choices and my survival of them, and knowledge of other datapoints which match my own experiences.

How long did you live in Tucson?

wkiernan > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 14:16

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It's all local. I have a car where I bypassed the leaking heater core with a bit of rubber tubing. Of course I don't miss it at all, because I live in Florida, where right now it's about 80°F. out. Why would I ever need a heater? Of course I'd expect a Bostonian (hi DJ) or a New Yorker (hi Selah) to roll her eyes at that.

highmodulus > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 14:18

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If you expect FP Commenters to make sense, you're not going to have a good time

#insert SouthPark ski instructor meme

Milky > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 14:24

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I've been driving in Michigan for the last 8 years, and this is the first summer I've had AC .... only ever used it a handful of times. However I can understand if I lived in place that regularly got above 85 degrees I would want it. #LogicBecauseNotOnFP

gbbts > Hermann 11/19/2013 at 14:25

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Don't forget that driving with windows closed in Sao Paulo can be the difference between being robbed or not. I have seen many times the thief skip my car and pick one with windows open when stuck in traffic.

Sad but true.

wkiernan > Gamecat235 11/19/2013 at 14:25

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Well, if your point is that the word "need" is a vague one with a fuzzy meaning at best, you're certainly right about that. I spent a couple years in Tucson as a small child (where I attended a pre-school called "Small Fry School," and the orange playground inside its stucco wall where we went at recess sure lived up to its name) and later a few months out there in the summer of 1976.

Converse > Gamecat235 11/19/2013 at 14:28

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I understand your point of view. However, I don't believe that saying people are wrong because they say that air con is a necessity. For where they live and in their line of work or current condition, it may be actually a necessity. Because our buildings have been designed for air con, the buildings may actually require it to be habitable.

Can humans survive without air con? Yes. Can humans survive without a roof over their head? Yes. But just like a house, air con can be a requirement and necessity to live and maintain a job to maintain one's life.

Gamecat235 > wkiernan 11/19/2013 at 14:30

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I'm a Native who lives here now, but had escaped for many years. =)

And semantic arguments are often the silliest ones to get into. But I do enjoy the black and white of absolute definitions.

Lime - Light > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 14:30

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Meh, I'm in texas. Yanked my AC stuff out to fit the V6 in my MR2, DD all through summer. Back sweat is worth the fun.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Milky 11/19/2013 at 14:32

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In a place where low temps sometimes don't drop below 85 in the summer, you may then be able to see how one may indeed call it a necessity. Much as I understand the necessity of having a heater in Michigan, even though 20-30 degree days are the exception, not the norm, in Texas winters.

Hermann > gbbts 11/19/2013 at 14:33

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Yeah, that's another good point. I feel too exposed when driving with the windows down here. It's a relief to get to a nicer place and roll the windows down.

Last year I walked by a focus on a red light, windows down, guy talking on iPhone. THREE BIKES appeared and robbed him. They almost fought among them to rob the guy. Interlagos, beside the Carrefour.

Anon > Nibbles 11/19/2013 at 14:46

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Come over here to Louisiana with 115 degree/ 90% humidity and tell me that.

Anon > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 11/19/2013 at 14:49

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I would love to see one of those people come to Louisiana during the summer. 115 degrees with 90% humidity tends to change most people's opinion. Open up the window? Nope, it's like having a hair dryer blasting in you face.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > Hermann 11/19/2013 at 16:23

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Porto Alegre is about the same, hot, stale, stuffed air. THere are a few windy places in town, on the hills west of the city center and a little over to the north, at the aptly named Moinhos neighborhood, but most of the city is just hot in an oppressive manner.